Pls help on identifying some places off Hong Kong
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Submitted by Dmitry_A on Mon, 2013-06-17 10:52
Greetings to everyone!
Some time before I have found an useful information on your site, now I'm glad to join your community. Hope you can help me with following:
I need to find Chinese names for some English toponyms nearby Hong Kong and vice versa.
For example, I know that Bias Bay once was 湃亞士灣, now it is 大亞灣.
I don't know the pairs for:
Tsiech Point
Kweilin Island
Reef Island
紅海灣
碣石灣
Thank you in advance!
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Re: identifying some places
Hi there,
I don't believe some of those places are in Hong Kong. They are alone the coast of Guangdong Province anyway. After Googling for a while I found these:
- Kwelin Island - 龜齡島 - Guiling Dao
- 紅海灣 - Honghai Bay
- 碣石灣 - Jieshi Bay
I am uncertain of the Reef Island and Tsiech Point. Might have to look up older maps fo these two.
Best Regards,
T
Thank you for help! The
Thank you for help!
The Kwelin Island must be the bull's eye! It lays close to Chilang Point (遮浪角), as said in an article I've read.
Honghai and Jieshi are modern Pinyin spelled, but I'd like to know their historical names used by British sailors.
Re: Identifying some places
Hi there,
Are those places along previous sea going routes in the South China Sea? I have saved the three locations into a new map and found they are relatively close to each other. As for the older Pinyin I guess we really need some older maps for reference.
I'll try to look up Mapping Hong Kong - A Historical Atlas later.
Thanks & Best Regards,
T
The English names are from
The English names are from the article (http://www.varenisfijner.nl/PDF/RIL-Post/RIL%20Post%2021-10.pdf) about the Dutch steamship Van Heutsz, seized by pirates in 1947.
It was in the waters of Honghai and Jieshi; I want to look for some more information using the toponyms as keywords.
Re: Identifying some places
Hi there,
Further Googling located this site. The text is really old, dated back to 1918.
紅海灣 - Hong-ha'i bay
Still scratching my head for 碣石灣.
Best Regards,
T
A bit more findings
Found these paragraphs at this site showing something like logs of a certain ship. There are references to Hong-Hai Bay and Tsiech Point. It described Tsiech Point as the Eastern outer entrance point of Hong-Hai Bay:
Quote>>
CHAP.m.] TY-SAMI INLET — CHELANG POINT. 137
The southern edge of the channel is bordered by a sandbank, which
commences under Tj-sami mound, and extends ]^ miles off shore, until
its north end bears West from Entrance head, where it shoals suddenly
to 3 feet on its edge. The north end of the sandy spit under Entrance
hill (on the south side of entrance), in line with the conical hill at the
back of the town bearing E. f N., will lead into the inlet rather on the
south side of the channel.
Fair anchorage may be found westward of Ty-sami head, with good
shelter in the north-east monsoon; but a long heavy swell rolls in.
T2BSS. — ^In Hong-hai bay it is high water, full and change^ at lOh. Qm.,
rise 6J feet.
OOAT zs&jBjn, lying S.E. 3 miles from Tsiech point, the eastern
outer entrance point of Hbng-hai bay, is the southernmost and largest
of a numerous group, amongst which there are no navigable channels^
S.W. J W. from its summit, and S.S.E. ^ E. from Ty-sami mound, is a
dangerous rock, which shows only when the tide is low and the wind high.
At rather more than a mile inland from the beach northward of Groat
island, is the walled town of Tsieching.
AJrcBORAaE. — There is good anchorage in the N.E. monsoon on the
north-west side of Groat island, which, with the group of islets northward
of it, shelters as well as can be expected from the heavy sea. This road-
stead is very convenient and was always much used by opium vessels^
End Quote>>
Best Regards,
T
Re: A bit more findings
tngan,
thank you very much for your help!