Lily Yuk-hing HO (née LAI) [1870-1945] | Gwulo: Old Hong Kong

Lily Yuk-hing HO (née LAI) [1870-1945]

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Submitted by Alfred on Tue, 2018-06-12 22:23
Names
Given: 
Lily Yuk-hing
Family: 
Ho
Maiden: 
Lai
Sex: 
Female
Status: 
Deceased
Birth
Date: 
c.1870-01-01 (Month, Day are approximate)
Death
Date: 
c.1945-01-01 (Month, Day are approximate)

I am looking for information about my great-grandmother, Lily Yuk-hing Lai (1870-1945), wife of Sir Ho Kai (1859-1914).  Sources such as birth certificate, marriage certificate (1885), newspaper wedding announcement, newspaper obituary would be appreciated.

She may have been the brother of Kenneth Stephen Knight and child of Francis Parkman Knight (1831-1880), an American consular officer in China.

Thank you.

Alfred Wen

 

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Submitted by annelisec on Thu, 2018-06-14 16:19.

Search the Carl Smith Cards for "ho kai"

http://search.grs.gov.hk/PRO/srch/english/sys_carlsmith.jsp?language=eng...

 

She was a benefactor of the Hop Yat Church. 

See also info about the Alice Hospital endowed by Ho Kai and its associated Chinese church ToTsing Church.

https://gwulo.com/node/21998

Contacting the church regarding Ho Kai's second marriage since the couple were so important.  Call them up and see if they have a historian who can help.

Descendents may still attend the church.

http://www.hopyatchurch.org/

Submitted by Alfred on Thu, 2018-06-14 20:08.

Thank you, Annelise.  Invaluable help as always. 

Submitted by Aaron Fredrick Lay on Wed, 2018-09-05 16:09.
Hi Alfred, We might be distant relatives as my great grandfather and your great grandmother I trust were siblings. I have heard stories from relatives that my great grandfather's sister was Sir Ho Kai's wife. My great grandfather's Chinese name is Lai Kam-Fat or Kim Frederique Lay (Formerly "Knight"). We do have distant relatives carrying the 'Knight' surname. Met one before named Horace Knight, a nearly old man, who came to my grandfather's funeral 20+ years ago claiming to be a cousin of my grandfather...

Submitted by annelisec on Wed, 2018-09-05 17:04.

Hi Aaron. Take a look at the family tree as we have it now. Can you help fill out the children of your great-grandfather?

https://www.geni.com/people/Kam-Fat-LAI-%E9%BB%8E%E9%87%91%E7%99%BC/6000000080422694881?through=6000000079230525836

Submitted by Alfred on Thu, 2018-09-06 01:25.

Hello Aaron,

I am sure we are related.  Through Gwulo and Ancestry.com DNA matching I have found other Knights descendant from Kam-Shing Lai (aka Kenneth Stephen Knight) and Kam-Fat’s older brother as well as a Lucy Knight Ozorio (b1868) another of their siblings together and her descendants - all siblings of my great grandmother Lily Yuk-Hing Lai. 

We have a group of cousins both distant and close, some newly discovered like yourself, sharing information via email and trying to a find documentary link to who we all believe to be the siblings father - Francis Parkman Knight (1831-1880) - an American consul in China from 1862+/- until his death in Shanghai.

If you have any info about him that would be great.

Our names and contacts for Kam-Fat’s descendents only extends to his grandchildren.  You are fhe only great grandchild I have heard from or anyone of our research group has been able to locate.

Of Kam-Fat’s children we know of 3 - George, Sim-Lai, and William.

Of George’s children we have Anne, Elizabeth, Eugene, Frank, Patricia and Peter.

Of William’s children we have Evelyn, Nancy and Thomas.

Nothing for Sum-Lai.

If you can identify which if any are your parent, that would be great.

The text window closed prematurely.  If you wish, I can introduce you to the online group of cousins.  Contact me directly at aywen@ksaarchitects.com.  I am in NYC.

Look forward to hearing more from you.

Best,

Alfred Wen

 

Submitted by Aaron Fredrick Lay on Thu, 2018-09-06 09:39.
Hi Alfred, Of Kam-Fat's children, there was also Samuel (Number 5 Grand Uncle). Kam-Fat was born on 13th November 1876. George was my grandfather and Peter was my father. George had 8 children and they are as below: Peter Lay Francis Lay (Frank) Elizabeth Lay Eugene Lay Patricia Lay Eva Lay Anne Lay Tony Lay We are all based in Hong Kong and I could be reached through my email "aflay70@yahoo.com Btw, I have a few old pics of my great grandfather and also his kids too. Maybe I'll email you some soon. Best, Aaron Fredrick Lay

Submitted by Aaron Fredrick Lay on Fri, 2018-09-07 00:30.

Hi Annelise / Alfred,

 
I tried going into the "geni" link but I'm lost and not sure how to update it.
 
I'm 47 (turning 48 in December) and I never knew my great great grandfather Francis Parkman Knight only until now. My knowledge of my ancestry further back are still pretty new. But I could try and help with the names of the great grandchildren (my cousins) of Lay Kam-Fat if that helps. 
 
Anyways, here are the details from eldest to youngest of Lay Kam-Fat's son, George Lay and his children, grandchildren and next to the name, great grandchildren: (I trust they are accurate in order)
 
Goerge Lay's children, grandchildren and great grandchildren (Great grandchildren's names are next to the grandchildren's names in brackets) below:
 
Peter Lay (Deceased) -
Children:
-Aaron Fredrick Lay
-Robert Leslie lay
 
*Francis Lay 
Children:
-David Lay
-Stephen Lay (Daughter: Florence Elizabeth Lay)
-Peter Lay
(Whole family based in Liverpool)*
 
Elizabeth Lay
Children:
*-Paula Wong (Son: Gabriel Wong, Daughter: Natalie Wong) They're based in Vancouver*
-Queenie Wong
-Noel Wong (Male)
-Otto Wong (Male)
 
Eugene Lay
Children:
-Hedy Lay (Female) (Son: Ambrose Yeung)
-Ronny Lay
 
Patricia Lay
Children:
-Odette Crockett
-Jean Crockett (Son: Julius Dasuke Wong)
 
Eva Lay
Children:
-Dominic Fan
-Cynthia Fan
 
Anne Lay
Children:
*-Jaqi Au (Son: Lucas Au Wallick, Daughter: Noelle Au Wallick) They're based in Philly*
-Kathy Au
-Kevin Au (Daughter: Audrey Au)
 
Tony Lay
Children:
-Cheryl Lay
 
Hope the above helps...
 
Best Regards,
Aaron
 

Submitted by annelisec on Fri, 2018-09-07 09:05.
Horace Knight
Horace Knight, by annelisec

It appears that Horace Knight was the son of John Stephen Knight

 

Submitted by annelisec on Fri, 2018-09-07 10:45.

In what city was Kam-Fat born?  Is there a birth certificate or baptismal record?

 

Aaron, I’ve added you and your father and 7 aunts and uncles on Geni. 

Submitted by Aaron Fredrick Lay on Fri, 2018-09-07 09:59.
Thank you so much Annelise. I would need to check where Kam-Fat was born. Unfortunately I only have his HKID card (Hard Copy) and not the birth cert and baptismal records.

Submitted by annelisec on Fri, 2018-09-07 11:28.

Two cards in the Carl Smith catalogue for Lucy

 

1   CAPT. OZORIO; CANDIDO JULIO OZORIO; DUARTE DINEZ OZORIO; MARIA RIO DOS REMEDIOS; CANDIDO ANTONIO OZORIO; GUILHERMINA ROMUALDA OZORIO; ADELIZA GENOVEVA OZORIO; JOSE MARIA OZORIO; MARIA FONSECA OZORIO; LUCY KNIGHT OZORIO; JOSE A. LOPES OZORIO; CLARIZA A. GO 1844; 1828; 1904; 1892; 1930; 1884; 1916; 1831; 1895; 1840; 1924; 1887; 1867; 1873; 1925; 1862; 1877; 1871; 1881; 1937; 1950; 1886; 1943; 1824; 1888
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2   LEONOR OZORIO; MARIA STELLA OZORIO RIBEIRO; CELESTE MARIA OZORIO; ENRICO MARIA OZORIO; LEOPOLDO EUGENIO OZORIO; JOSE MARIA ROQUE GRACA OZORIO; LUCY OZORIO; FILOMENO MARIA OZORIO; MARIA ANNA OZORIO BAPTISTA; DUARTE DINIZ OZORIO; CAPITOLINA MARIA OZORIO; CA 1934; 1937; 1941; 1943 - 1946; 1928; 1930
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