Elizabeth Joan MEREDITH (née LLOYD) [1903-1994] | Gwulo: Old Hong Kong

Elizabeth Joan MEREDITH (née LLOYD) [1903-1994]

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Submitted by David on Wed, 2016-06-29 16:11
Names
Given: 
Elizabeth Joan
Family: 
Meredith
Maiden: 
Lloyd
Sex: 
Female
Status: 
Deceased
Birth
Date: 
1903-11-28
Death
Date: 
1994-11-11
Connections: 
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Submitted by David on Wed, 2016-06-29 21:48.

She's listed in R Brooks' diary as "Mrs Meredith HK&S Bank", so I think she was married to Mr A C Meredith, who worked for that bank.

Update: I now think the R Brooks diary entry referred to Mr Meredith, see comments below.

Submitted by Philip on Mon, 2016-07-04 06:57.

David: The refernce to A.C. Meredith's spouse is odd as I dont think his spouse Elizabeth Joan Meredith (nee Lloyd) 1903-1994 was ever in Camp. I believe she had two sons Alexander (1937)  and Philip (1939) and was probably evacuated to Australia in 1940. He was staying at the premises of wine merchants Caldbeck Macgregor between surrender and internment at Stanley (no mention of wife). Reference to him in Gimson's diary (Oxord U.) implies he was on his own in Camp. She is not on Camp Log. Philip Cracknell

 

Submitted by David on Sat, 2016-07-02 18:31.

Thanks Philip, then it sounds unlikely that this is Mrs Meredith, wife of A C Meredith. I've deleted that connection.

The full line in R Brooks diary reads:

Cashed a £100 cheque for Mrs Meredith HK&S Bank at the highest camp rate of 35 to 1.

So maybe it's another Mrs Meredith, and the "HK&S Bank" refers to the bank that issued the cheque?

Submitted by Tideswell27 on Sun, 2016-07-03 12:25.

Never heard of "Caldreck Greggor." I suspect you are referring to a company known as "Caldbeck, MacGregor & Co." Phil.

Submitted by Philip on Mon, 2016-07-04 06:56.

Yes it was a typo which I will correct   - interesting to see that Caldbeck Macgregor are still in business at least in Malaysia. 

Submitted by brian edgar on Mon, 2021-10-18 18:37.

On September 10, 1945 ZBW provided some former internees with news of the whereabouts of loved ones. Mr. Meredith was told his wife and family were in the USA.

His mother Barbara, a widow, lived in Windsor, Berkshire close to my father's parents. In a postcard from Stanley dated 12 April 1944 my father wrote: 'Convey Meredith Clarence Road son fit and well'.

Submitted by annpake on Wed, 2021-10-27 01:09.

Passenger List London to Hong Kong departing 24th February 1939

Alexander Meredith 41 Banking

Elizabeth Meredith 35

Alexander Meredith 2 years

Philip Meredith 2 months

Passenger List departing 10 April 1945 Manila Pilippines to San Pedro California arriving 2 May 1945    [Battle of Manila 3 February – 3 March 1945]

Admitted for 60 days Final destination Sanderstead [possibly Sanderstead near Croydon Surrey UK]

Elizabeth Joan Meredith 41 years 9 months Place of last residence Hong Kong China Husband Alexander Charles Meredith Stanley Prison Hong Kong

Alexander Meredith 8 years 8 months father Alexander Charles Meredith

Philip Meredith 6 years 4 months father Alexander Charles Meredith

Passenger List Liverpool to China departing 3 August 1946

Elizabeth Joan Meredith is listed but her name is crossed through

Electoral register 1961  Sandy Hill Reigate Surrey

Alexander C Meredith

Elizabeth J Meredith

Philip Meredith

UK Death Index

Elizabeth Joan Meredith born 28 July 1903 death aged 91 registered Quarter 4 1994 Bath Avon UK

London Times Newspaper

Alexander Charles Meredith Death Date 18 January 1985 in Surrey UK Spouse Elizabeth Meredith

Born 7 August 1895 New Windsor Berkshire

WWI service Regiment or Corps:London Regiment, R Brigade, Machine Gun Corps Regimental Number 2720

 

Submitted by David on Tue, 2021-10-26 21:41.

There clearly wasn't any Mrs Meredith in Stanley Camp, so I think the original mention in Ron Brooks' diary was either a mistake when it was written or when it was transcribed:

Cashed a £100 cheque for Mrs Meredith HK&S Bank at the highest camp rate of 35 to 1.

I think it is more likely he was cashing a cheque for Mr Meredith, who we know worked for the HK&S Bank.

I'll keep this as the page for Mrs Meredith, but I'll remove the tag that lists her as interned at Stanley.

Submitted by brian edgar on Tue, 2021-10-26 21:44.

Thanks, Annpake. Interesting that A. C. Meredith was born in Windsor. My father was born in an army camp, but his family settled in Windsor in about 1917.

Submitted by brian edgar on Tue, 2021-10-26 21:46.

Agreed, David. But I'm not sure how much Mr. Meredith actually received!

Submitted by annpake on Tue, 2021-10-26 21:56.

She sailed from Manila perhaps she was there or thereabouts.

Submitted by annpake on Wed, 2021-10-27 19:16.

On her 1945 trip from Manila to USA Elizabeth Meredith states that her last place of residence was Hong Kong. Is it possible that she was in Hong Kong without being interned? 

Submitted by brian edgar on Thu, 2021-10-28 20:36.

Probably not. Her husband was not one of the bankers kept out of Stanley and I can't think of any reason she would have been left uninterned on her own. My guess is she took the question to mean 'permanent residence'.

Submitted by annpake on Fri, 2021-10-29 18:48.

I cannot find her on any passenger list going to Australia. When was the evacuation of families to Australia?

Passenger List arriving Southampton 3 December 1946 from Singapore Oranje Nederland Line

A Ch Meredith 51 Banker uk address 60 Heathhurst Road Sanderstead

E J Meredith 43

She appears in the Victoria Australia Wills and Probate Records

Name: Elizabeth Joan Meredith
Death Date: 11 Nov 1994
Death Place: Avon England
Occupation: Married Woman
Grant Date: 22 Dec 1995

UK Probate Calendar 1945

Elizabeth Joan Meredith of Stanton Court Nursing Home, Stanton Bristol died 11 November 1994. Probate 6 April 1995.

Submitted by brian edgar on Fri, 2021-10-29 19:05.

The evacuation was mostly July 1940. I've never seen any mention of manifests.

Submitted by annpake on Fri, 2021-10-29 19:24.

Thanks. All I know is that the evacuation was via Manila. Elizabeth Joan Meredith was in Manila in 1945 and she is mentioned in the Australian Probate Records. I think it's safe to assume that she was evacuated to Australia.